But, hey, a nice try on your part. Too bad facts mean nothing to you.

Beating your wife is against the law but if she refuses to press charges then the man walks away unscathed. If they will ammend the bill to ensure that it really is the womans choice to prosecute not the states/fathers etc… then I have no problem with it.

Until then I will continue to see it as a potential threat to a womans right to choose.

Now can you tell me why you support a law that really changes nothing to make your wife safer but does take away another women’s right to make a different choice?

Another bill has been proposed that does offer protection without that underhanded making abortion a criminal act aspect. Do you support that bill?

And please don’t glurge me to death with itty bitty baby routines, I’ve had six kids I know all about it.

I am not interested in listening to anymore of your nonsense take it elsewhere.

Nobody invited you for a debate. You showed up here demanding one. There is nothing to debate. Abortion must remain legal and safe for all women, and when you start making laws then you put the decision in someone else’s hands.

Who gets to decide, the government? Someone’s church? A judge or court? What gives any of them the authority to tell me, or a highschool girl, or a married woman, or a prostitute, or a rape victim that the decision to end a pregnancy is theirs to make, instead of mine/ours? None. Nobody on the outside of a situation can possibly have the moral or legal authority to make that decision. Just because YOU personally “perceive” a zygote or fetus to be a baby and that ending it’s undeveloped life is murder, that doesn’t make it YOUR decision to make for someone else. Do you really trust the government to decide?

That girl you mention, the one who allegedly had sex with 3 guys in one night and has had abortions (or so you have heard, are you really sure about that?). Is it really up to you to decide whether or not she should have a baby? No. Is it your place to judge her sexual activity? No. It’s her body. You have NO IDEA what her situation or motivations are. It’s none of your business.

You keep decrying us for not answering the hypothetical situation about the premature 5 month old born fetus, and the 9 month one not born yet. That is a straw man, and I for one refuse to answer it. We may as well argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

The insinuation that women are casually aborting late term babies is insulting and misinformed. You have never responded to my comment about my friend, who had a late term abortion to prevent her (much wanted) baby from experiencing tremendous pain, and to save her own life. Do you think there should be laws banning the procedure (late term abortion)? Because my friend might be dead, and her baby would be as well but only after much suffering. How is that “pro-life”? Would you make a law giving a judge the power to make that very private, agonizing decision? Because if the judge said no, again, my friend might be dead and her other children would grow up with no mother. Oh, and the baby would still be dead, again, after much suffering.

Do you really think that the mythical “woman who up and decides to have an abortion at 8.5 months” should be a mother? Do you think that girls at your school who have sex and get pregnant should be forced to be mothers, or forced to give birth and then give up their babies? How in the hell do you actually think any of it is your business, or your decision to make?

And regarding that 5 month gestation prematurely born baby. Can it survive on its own, without tubes, wires, ventilators, surgeries, and other assorted millions of dollars of medical intervention? Because following the line of reasoning that abortion is playing God or taking a life that should be, all of that medical intervention which is necessary to keep that baby alive is also playing God, artificially sustaining a life that clearly was not to have survived. What is the difference? You tell me. You’re the one who keeps touting your intelligence and maturity.

And, how dare you tell me what I can and cannot do with my body. You are not god or goddess (or God or Goddess for that matter). You have absolutely no right — no right whatsoever — to tell me what I can and cannot do.

Please stop doing so now!

I’m not trying to be a smart***, but I think it would be safe to say none of you have taken philosophy, or at least taken it seriously enough to apply it. most of you are just as bad as the stereotypical staunch ‘conservatives” you claim to be fighting against. You have one opinion. one mindset. And yours is right.

I’m open to everyone heres arguments as long as its supported by something. Except all I’ve received are childish and weak attacks such as “brainwashed bible camp” and “stay away from my body”, “fetus fetishers” and the denying of facts. No offense but I get more intelligent conversation in my class with the other gr. 12′s.

And I guess sit was an assumption to presume you were automatically a women, even though you are.

But can someone please answer my question? its a real chance to explain and redeem yourselves. its my belief that we all think deep down its a baby, its just we say it isn’t to make it easier.

Don’t take this personally, I’m not comparing you guys to the Nazi, i swear, but it is somethings the Nazi’s did. They dehumanized the jews because it made them easier to kill that way. To make the mental realization that the Jews were people and human would of been too hard. So they did that